tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7383674293933120026.post6905744601268831509..comments2023-08-23T01:44:51.828-07:00Comments on Canada The Sinking Lifeboat: WHAT CAN YOU DO? How To Save The Quality of Life On Earth: Specific Ideas For Taking Action Against OverpopulationTim Murrayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07069923033017092515noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7383674293933120026.post-72987869742410478962008-06-28T14:42:00.000-07:002008-06-28T14:42:00.000-07:00S. David Lalonde is saying many contradictory thin...S. David Lalonde is saying many contradictory things. He says Canadians are already doing our part because we have a low fertility, but yet our population is still growing. Then he says we need immigrants because we need them to cut down trees, etc as though Canadians are incapable of doing their own work, or as though the Canadian environment needs increased human activity -- I couldn't disagree more. Then he says that the people in the articles he links to who killed themselves must be our converts. This is already a well documented cliche used by the real misanthropes -- the growthists:<BR/> <BR/>""If you want to save the Earth, why not start by killing yourself?" This ugly cliché is often used by growth-addicts when they're backed into an evidentiary corner. It's an oxymoronic Freudian slip because it admits that there is a population problem yet it seeks to eliminate the very people concerned about said problem! Such evil remarks show that many in the anti-ecology crowd are just punks."<BR/> <BR/>http://enough_already.tripod.com/cliches.htm<BR/> <BR/>Then he replies to Rick's comment about stopping at two children, but in the wrong thread, which takes things out of context and gets confusing.<BR/><BR/>Then he says: "We are not anywhere near being in danger of no having enough food, water, shelter or natural resources to sustain our population." which ignores the needs of other species and assumes that we have the right to continue displacing them, or that it is in our best interest to do so. His statement is also demonstrably false as there are many Canadian communities with inadequate water quality and quantity and food such as fish which are too polluted to eat, forcing energy intensive imports which will soon be no longer possible without cheap and abundant fossil fuels.<BR/> <BR/>Then he says the old "you are an immigrant so you don't have the right to suggest a limit to the number of immigrants" line, which is about as stupid as saying "You once used a life preserver doughnut, so therefore you have no right to suggest that there is a limit to the number of people who can simultaneously use the same life preserver doughnut without making everyone drown."<BR/> <BR/>Then he calls our vision for Canada as isolationist, even though it involves world leadership by setting a good example. Then he says our vision of stopping Canada's population growth by immigration would have "no effect whatsoever". That is like saying that stopping all new construction of subdivisions would have no effect whatsoever -- what a joke!<BR/>Brishen HoffTim Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07069923033017092515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7383674293933120026.post-68849610659635353182008-06-28T14:40:00.000-07:002008-06-28T14:40:00.000-07:00Our "isolationist view" will have an effect once w...Our "isolationist view" will have an effect once we get past idiots like Lalonde. There are many "deserving" people who already live in Canada, in poverty, true and functional illiteracy, homelessness, addiction, and generally discarded by a society which only cares that they continue on as good little consumers, and ignores them if they can't. Many of these people could be trained and educated to do the plumbing and other jobs Lalonde mentions. And I'd like to see the data supporting the claim that we have, on a sustainable basis, lots of food, water, and so on, given what we have done with our arable land. I think I'll go out for a nice dinner of Atlantic cod and polar bear.<BR/><BR/>RickTim Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07069923033017092515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7383674293933120026.post-22251334999978053802008-06-23T04:16:00.000-07:002008-06-23T04:16:00.000-07:00These are all excellent suggestions. I'm doing my ...These are all excellent suggestions. I'm doing my part by producing a documentary to highlight how self-destructive it is for communities and nations to base their prosperity on economic growth and population growth. These are linked and they are both in conflict with true sustainability.<BR/><BR/>The more we all discuss overpopulation and educate ourselves and our communities, the sooner we will begin to address this challenge.<BR/><BR/>Dave Gardner<BR/>Producer/Director <BR/>Hooked on Growth: Our Misguided Quest for Prosperity<BR/><A HREF="http://www.growthbusters.com" REL="nofollow">www.growthbusters.com</A>Dave Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391587126108658103noreply@blogger.com